Nick Fuentes vs. William L. Shirer

When I wrote the two blog posts on the post-war consensus, World War II and Hitler, and Hitler, True Evil, and the Post-War Consensus, I didn’t realize that I was laying the groundwork for this post. This is because I had yet to be introduced to the reason for those two post: Nick Fuentes. I confess, I was ignorant of who he was. I was simply responding to those who were making arguments that Fuentes has put forth, and trying to put them into perspective.

I was beside myself as to why anyone in this day and age would argue that the number of those Jews killed in the holocaust was nowhere near 6 million.

Then Nick Fuentes was featured on Tucker Carlson, and I watched it. Fuentes seemed… decent and well-spoken. But something wasn’t right.

If I’ve learned anything about human nature in my 60+ years in life, anyone can present themselves in a good light when they really put their minds to it. And this is what Fuentes did on Tucker Carlson. He sought to build a case that he was a victim after The Daily Wire sent him packing for his views on Israel. The piece was given in a way that was meant to make us feel sorry for Fuentes simply because he was “just asking questions.”

In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right,
until someone comes forward and cross-examines. Proverbs 18:17

And of course, others have examined Fuentes, and continue to do so.  Ben Shapiro really brought the receipts against Fuentes. I’m not a huge fan of Shapiro, but I don’t discount what he says at times. After watching what he said, this is one of those times. And if you don’t like what Shapiro says, how about Doug Wilson? He doesn’t give Fuentes a good report either.

If you reread the previous section, you will see and understand why I believe that there is no way for Fuentes to display openly and publicly the kind of demented attitudes toward sex and women the way that he does without having multiple black mold closets in his life, filled with the rotting debris of gangrenous lusts. The portrayals of gay porn that he has accidentally broadcast in the past provide just a glimpse of what is obviously going on. He has offered various explanations, of course—of the “aliens kidnapped me, what year is it?” variety—and anyone who accepts such explanations at face value might be the very chumpiest of chumps. Nick Fuentes is bad news, and one very lost puppy.

Read the rest of the article here.

But for my purposes, watch the video that Shapiro put forth. It’s only 5 minutes long.

Shapiro On Fuentes

Hopefully you see that Fuentes condemns himself in a lot of areas in that clip. He is atrocious. What I want to comment on, what I feel like I have some knowledge of, are his comments about Hitler and the holocaust. What he says, shows he knows nothing of Adolf Hitler, the Third Reich, the Nazis, or the holocaust. He is just spouting absolute ignorance to all of it. What does he say? (It begins at minute 3:14 if you want to skip to that part).

  • “Buddy, it’s Führer Friday. It is Hitler Friday. Shut up. It is Heil Hitler Friday, n*gga. Heil Hitler. All my n*ggas [are] Nazis. Hitler was a pedophile? Kind of. It’s like, well, he was also really f***ing cool. So, you know, time to grow up. We’re not children anymore, am I right, boys? Let’s go. He…”
  • “It takes one hour to cook a batch of cookies (Jews), and you have 15 ovens, probably in four different kitchens, right? Doing 24 hours a day, every day for five years, how long would it take you to make six million? Hmm, I don’t know, it certainly wouldn’t be five years, right, the math doesn’t seem to add up there.”

And for some reason, he has a following. That following really is ignorant of history and the facts of the holocaust. But more on that in a moment.

Really F***ing Cool

Let’s start with the first statement. Sorry for the f-bomb, but I think we need to quote this man in context and say what he says. He thinks Hitler is “really f***ing cool.”

Instead of giving my opinion, let me quote from William L. Shire, who wrote the book, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

“The man who founded the Third Reich, who ruled it ruthlessly and often with uncommon shrewdness, who led it to such dizzy heights and to such a sorry end, was a person of undoubted, if evil, genius.”

The one who follows Fuentes will focus on the word “genius” and completely miss the word “evil.” Let’s not make that mistake. Hitler was truly evil (however, he is not the ultimate of evil or the definition of evil. His evilness, in the grand scale, is actually quite normal evil and what is in the heart of every man, apart from the Spirit and grace of God.)

I think Shirer is a good person to turn to on the issue of Hitler. He lived in Germany before the war, and was a reporter there. He spoke German. He knew Germany. He knew the people. He heard Hitler’s speeches in person. Not things reported to him. He heard them and reported them to the world. He knew Hitler’s voice. He knew Hitler’s intention, and he knew Hitler’s intentions because he was one of the first historians to gain access on all of the Nazi documents and writings after the war. He was not only writing from personal experience, eyewitness testimony, but also the words of Hitler himself. He was documenting what they were intending to do. There was no speculation on the part of Shirer in writing his book. He was working with the facts of what the Nazis wrote themselves.

Knowing this, nukes the entire idea of the post-war consensus, since there as no consensus when Shirer wrote his book. In fact, he was criticized for writing and releasing his book so soon after the War ended. Perhaps this criticism comes about because he was not in consensus with anyone. The consensus had not had time to be formed, and he was defeating the purpose of those who were working to form a consensus. But this is just speculation. Please don’t put too much stock in that.

I point all this out, so we understand, that Shirer was an eyewitness to the things that happened in Germany before and after the war, and was in contact with many Germans during the war. He had to leave in 1940, but was back and in contact with many during the war.

We could say, that of the two men, Shirer was actually an expert on Hitler, whereas Fuentes? He has a podcast that he operates from his parents’ basement. Has Fuentes ever been to Germany? I doubt it. In his comments to Tucker, he was offered a free trip to Israel, and he refused to go, under the guise of “America First.” This doesn’t give him much credibility.

Yet, he admires Hitler, like some starry-eyed groupie.

Shirer never looks upon Hitler with any admiration at all. He called him a “madman,” after Hitler gave a speech. He said he was “evil, genius,” as I mentioned above. Shirer didn’t just call him a madman. He spent some 1,000 pages showing what a madman Hitler was. He recounted how his evilness played out on the German people, and the Jews, and the Poles, and the Czechs, and anyone else who stood in his way. And yes, that included Christians as well, especially the pastors who spoke out against him.

Was Hitler cool? Not in the least. There really was nothing likable about Adolf Hitler. Even those close to him, feared him, because he was so unstable. But cool?

Only a fool sitting in his mother’s basement in 21st century America, far removed from the ghettos, and trenches filled with Jewish bodies, would say something so stupid.

And for some reason, people think Fuentes is worthy of attention.

Now Fuentes’ speculation about 6 million Jews being destroyed like cookies is even more egregious than the stupidity of “Hitler is f***ing cool.” Why? Because Fuentes

trivializes what took place in the ovens in the concentration camps by calling Jews “cookies.” He doesn’t have the decency to call them human beings. He ignores that those bearing God’s image were being ruthlessly murdered, torched, and gassed. He gets cutesy over their deaths by using the metaphor “cookies.”

And he thinks he is something else by asking the “deep” questions: How could 6 million Jews actually be killed in a five year period in the ovens alone?

The problem with this genius observation of his is that no one was saying that 6 million were gassed. The six million Jews killed were killed during the Holocaust, of which, many died in the concentration camps. But the Holocaust didn’t just occur in the concentration camps. It occurred in the ghettos, in the streets, throughout the country side.

Shirer gives this account from an eyewitness of those who were line up and executed for being Jews:

“Without screaming or weeping these people undressed, stood around in family groups, kissed each other, said farewells and waited for a sign from another S.S. man, who stood near the pit, also with a whip in his hand. During the fifteen minutes that I stood near the pit I heard no complaint or plea for mercy… An old woman with snow-white hair was holding a one-year-old child in her arms and singing to it and tickling it. The child was cooing with delight. The parents were looking on with tears in their eyes. The father was holding the hand of a boy about 10 years old and speaking to him softly; the boy was fighting his tears. The father pointed to the sky, stroked his head and seemed to explain something to him.
At that moment the S.S. man at the pit shouted something to his comrade. The latter counted off about twenty persons and instructed them to go behind the earth mound… I well remember a girl, slim and with black hair, who, as she passed close to me, pointed to herself and said: “twenty-three years old.” I walked around the mound and found myself confronted by a tremendous grave. People were closely wedged together and lying on top of each other so that only their heads were visible. Nearly all had blood running over their shoulders from their heads. Some of the people were still moving. Some were lifting their arms and turning their heads to show that they were still alive. The pit was already two-thirds full. I estimated that it contained about a thousand people. I looked for the man who did the shooting. He was an S.S. man, who sat at the edge of the narrow end of the pit, his feet dangling into the pit. He had a tommy gun on his knees and was smoking a cigarette.
The people, completely naked, went down some steps and clambered over the heads of the people lying there to the place to which the S.S. man directed them. They lay down in front of the dead or wounded people; some caressed those who were still alive and spoke to them in a low voice. Then I heard a series of shots. I looked into the pit and saw that the bodies were twitching or the heads lying already motionless on top of the bodies that lay beneath them. Blood was running from their necks. The next batch was approaching already. They went down into the pit, lined themselves up against the previous victims and were shot. And so it went, batch after batch. The next morning the German engineer returned to the site. I saw about thirty naked people lying near the pit. Some of them were still alive… Later the Jews still alive were ordered to throw the corpses into the pit. Then they themselves had to lie down in this to be shot in the neck… I swear before God that this is the absolute truth.” (The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich).

This is the results of Hitler’s leadership, and seeking the “final solution.” I know the followers of Fuentes might not know what the final solution was, so let’s look as the results of a quick search from Grok.

The “Final Solution” (often referred to as the “Final Solution to the Jewish Question”) was a euphemism used by Nazi Germany during World War II to describe their systematic plan for the genocide of Europe’s Jewish population. Implemented primarily from 1941 to 1945 under the Third Reich, it involved mass deportations, forced labor, and extermination through methods such as ghettos, mobile killing units, and concentration/death camps like Auschwitz, resulting in the murder of approximately six million Jews. This policy evolved from earlier anti-Semitic measures and escalated following the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941.

So what we have at this point, is a real historian, Shirer, vs. Fuentes, a bean-bag quarterback, commenting or speaking of the death of six million Jews in the holocaust. Shirer gives actual evidence. Fuentes just gives speculation. Idle speculation. He does not back his claim up with any evidence whatsoever. He just specualates.

Anyone can speculate. Anyone can ask unanswerable questions. Satan did that in the Garden of Eden. To ask speculative questions, in order to bring doubt and misunderstanding, is more of Satan than it is of Christ. This is what men like Fuentes do. They ask lots of questions. Unbelieving critics of Christ have been doing it for 2,000 years.

What is sad is that so many in the church are given over to the fleshly speculations of men like Fuentes. He is not interested in the truth. He is merely interested in his idle gossip so he can build his base. If we are truly in Christ, we shouldn’t give him a moment’s notice since Christ is the Truth. We should be those who seek the Truth, in Christ, and in the world He has given us, and refute those idle babbling basement dwellers.

I am glad I watched the Tucker Carlson interview. And that I’ve done a dive into who Fuentes is. We don’t need him in conservative circles, or in the church, without repentance on his side. He is a vile man and if we listen to him, the way he wants us to listen to him, he will end up becoming “really f***ing cool” just like his hero.

World War II and Hitler

I don’t really know where to begin. Over the past year, there have been hundreds of challenges to the things that I grew up knowing and understanding about the world we live in, the world we were given after World War II. Some will immediately point out that this disqualifies me from saying anything at all, because I’m a Boomer. But I throw that back at you, what qualifies you from knowing anything at all if you cannot trust the eyewitness testimony of the generation that preceded you?

For the atheist, that question will mean nothing. But for the Christian, that means everything. If you cannot believe eyewitness testimony, then you cannot believe anything at all, for the Christian faith is built upon, and rests upon the testimony of eyewitnesses, and witnesses to those eyewitnesses (think of the gospel of Luke.) Yes, we also have the testimony of the Holy Spirit. I get that. Yet, even then, we still believe the testimonies of those who have had the Spirit testify to them. Our faith is built upon witnesses.

But my discussion here isn’t focused on the Christian faith, but the simple realities of World War II and Hitler.

This started about a year ago, when someone put forth the view point that Churchill was the true enemy in World War II, and that Hitler was really the good guy because he really wanted peace. (See Tucker Carlson intrerview).

For those of us who grew up in the 1960s and 1970s, hearing the stories from our fathers, about the war, we know just how absurd this was. We knew, from eyewitness testimony, what Hitler was. We didn’t believe what we believed because it was official news from the State Department, or from CBS News, although the latter was much more trustworthy back then that it has been in the last 30 years.

For instance, during the mid-1970s when I would visit my step-mother who worked in the Galleria in Houston, I met the secretary in her office who was a refugee from Germany. She went through the war as a German citizen experiencing the rise of Hitler and the war itself. She told us of the speeches that Hitler gave. My step-mother asked the woman why she went along with it. The woman couldn’t explain it, but said it seemed like the right thing to do at the time. Please note two things that didn’t need to be said: the secretary knew what Hitler had said and done, were wrong. She made no excuses for Hitler. She understood what he was. She also accepted her own culpability in it as well. She wasn’t proud of the fact.

(I believe there was a spiritual element to Hitler, and this is why he was able to sway so many. We also have reports of his religious beliefs. He really believed he was something of a savior for Germany. And no, he was not a Christian. To say that he was is to show complete ignorance of the man, and the Nazis as well as Christ.)

There was a woman in my first church as a pastor in the mid 1990s who had the tattoos on our her forearm. She was Jewish. She had been taken captive by the Germans and put in a concentration camp with the rest of her family. She made it out. Her family did not. She would only speak in vague ways of the horrors. What she went through still brought her to tears.

I would like to say that she was also a Christian. She never accepted Christ as far as I knew. She came to our church because she was lonely. We did the best we could to love her. But despite our efforts, she drifted off in another direction.

But we don’t need to rely only on eyewitness testimony. We can know from Hitler’s own words what he believed. In fact, this is the very reason that Churchill so opposed Hitler. Churchill read his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler’s own book about his life, and his beliefs of what should happen in Germany.

I confess, I have not read Mein Kampf. But I have read William Manchester’s excellent biography of Winston Churchill, The Last Lion, all three volumes. I have read William L Shirer’s The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, a first edition copy that I got from my father. I have read Andrew Robert’s biography, Churchill: Walking With Destiny. And I have read Churchill’s own accounts of the war in The Gathering Storm.

Three of the four authors, actually lived during the war. They lived the war. Shirer was on the ground in Germany before the war, and was eventually kicked out when war was declared by Great Britain. He spoke both German and English. He gives firsthand accounts of what was taking place.

William L. Shirer

For example, Shirer wrote about the coming of Hitler in his chapter: The Nazification of Germany:1933-34, when 90% of the voting German population voted Hitler into power. The Nazi Party assembled on September 4th to take power.

“I watched him on the morning of the new day stride like a conquering emperor down the center aisle of the great flag-bedecked Luitpold Hall while the band blared for ‘The Badenweiler March’ and thirty thousand hand were raised in Nazi salute. A few moments  later he sat proudly in the center of that vast stage with folded arms and shining eyes as Gauleiter Adolf Wagner of Bavaria read the Fuehrer’s proclamations:

The German form of life is definitely determined for the next thousand years. The Age of Nerves of the nineteenth century has found its close with us. There will be no other revolution in Germany for the next one thousand years!

Shirer continues:

“Even one returning to Germany for the first time since the death of the Republic could see that, whatever his crimes against humanity, Hitler had unleashed a dynamic force of incalculable proportions which had long been pent up in the German people. To what purpose, he had already made clear in the pages of Mein Kampf, and in a hundred speeches which had gone unnoticed or unheeded or been ridiculed by so many–by almost everyone– with and especially without the Third Reich (Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, p 230). 

William Manchester

Manchester was alive during this time, and fought in the Pacific theater. What he does in writing The Last Lion is show us the man who was behind defeating Hitler: Winston Churchill. Manchester takes us meticulously through Churchill’s life, beliefs, upbringing, education, and military career in order to help us see why he was the man of the hour to stand against Hitler. Yes, Manchester also shows us Churchill’s flaws. All these writers do, including Churchill himself. He was not a perfect man, or perfect hero. But he was a hero, for he stood against popular opinion of the day, against those who would have subjugated their own people for peace, against even friends, in opposing Hitler. He understood the danger. Manchester writes the following after the fall of Czechoslovakia:

Although the full scope of Nazi atrocities in Czechoslovakia was concealed from foreign correspondents, they could not be prevented from witnessing clubbings, the persecution of Jews, and the disappearance of Czech intellectuals once concentration camps had been built, wired, and equipped with watchtowers for machine guns and searchlights. There was no blinking the fact that this time Hitler had acted not as the champion of Germans living in a neighboring country but as a Genghis Khan bent upon pillage, enslavement, slaughter, and destruction.

The Czechs were the first Slavs he had subjugated. He frequently broke his promises; his threats he always made good. In a secret Führerordnung he decreed that the Czechs were to be “assimilier,” chiefly as “Sklavenarbeit” (“slave labor”) in the Reich; the others, “besonders die Intellektuellen” (“particularly the intellectuals”), were to be “entmanntet und ausgeschaltet” (“castrated and eliminated”). All this had been set forth in Mein Kampf, the best-seller read by few and dismissed by most of them as ravings. Churchill, virtually the only public man who had taken Hitler at his word, published a collection of his own Evening Standard and Daily Telegraph columns under the title Step by Step. Clement Attle wrote him, “It must be a melancholy satisfaction to see how right you were,” and Lord Wolmer wrote: “The book is a record of perspicacity and courage on your part”‘ (Alone, p. 398).

 

In reading all these volumes of pages about Churchill, Hitler, and World War II, I never once came across anything that would lead me to believe that Churchill was the enemy, or that Hitler was being misrepresented, or that millions of Jews were not indeed killed by the Germans. Hitler felt anyone who was to a German, or was a Communist, was to be eliminated.

Operation Barbarossa itself reflected the attitude of Hitler and his command. When Germany invaded Russia, their goal was to eliminate all those they captured because they knew with the coming of winter, they would not be able to support and feed all the prisoners of war they had captured.

Shirer, if I remember correctly, brought about the fact that it was a major mistake on the part of Hitler. His hatred for the Russians was so great, that he could not see the reality that many of those who were captured, thought of Hitler as a liberator, and were willing to fight for him, against the Soviets. But Hitler’s hatred ruled the day. Had he not killed off so may Russians who were captured, or surrendered, he could have easily captured Moscow and overthrown Stalin.

Conclusion

Now some might accuse me of  Post War Consensus which Rich Lusk does a great job of explaining. I think that is just a label that the younger generation has grabbed on to to foist upon Boomers in an attempt to attack Boomers. It’s not my point to win over Generation X, or Millennials, or whatever generation pops up. But all this is important, as Rich Lusk wrote, “Everything you’ve been told is a lie.”

If we continue down this road, then we can know nothing at all about history, and more importantly about Christianity. After all, everything we know, everything… is rooted in history, whether the history is personal or national. So we have to be vigilant about what we do know. Hopefully, you have discovered the following:

  • Hitler had evil intentions for those not Germans. Yes, we can point to the fact that he was fighting for the blood and soil of his people, but he did so in an evil manner.
  • Hitler told the world what he was going to do in his book Mein Kampf.
  • Churchill read his book, and listened to his speeches, and opposed Hitler when everyone else was refusing to do so.
  • Millions upon millions died because of Hitler’s maniacal quest to exalt Germany over every other nation in Europe.
  • History repeats itself.

This last point, we need to know because it is repeating itself today. As I read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, I couldn’t help but think about how many of the situations the Germans faced, that we face today. The beauty for us is that I believe God has spared us a maniacal dictator… for now. That may change, but up until this point in our history, He has shown us grace.

For more on the Post War Consensus, watch Man Rampant with Doug Wilson and Rusty Reno as they discuss Reno’s book, The Return of the Strong God’s.