PCUSA Theological Liberalism Leads to Biblical Stupidity

The PCUSA, the liberal leaning and Bible ignoring Presbyterian denomination that most people know about, decided this past week at their General Assembly that when it comes to same-sex marriage, Scripture is just a bit too confusing for these mental giants to come to any serious conclusion on the topic.

Yes, you read that correctly. Instead of saying the Bible is against it, since it condemns homosexuality in every case that it is mentioned in Scripture, AND since marriage always means between one woman and one man, that there just wasn’t enough evidence for them to rule whether or not it was right or wrong.

Here is a bit from The Layman Online:

Scripture too confusing to use

The tarnished centerpiece of the committee’s recommendation, however, was an amended overture from Sacramento Presbytery, which read in part, “We decline to take an action that would have the effect of imposing on the whole Presbyterian Church (USA) one interpretation of Scripture in this matter” of “what the Scriptures teach concerning the morality of committed, same-gender relationships.” The best this committee and then the whole General Assembly could do was to declare formally that Scripture is too confusing, too subject to varied interpretations to unite around to decide matters of same-sex sexual morality.

Is same-sex practice right or wrong, according to the Bible? “Well, ya know, we just can’t decide,” has now become General Assembly’s official position. This position is intended to “be brought before each presbytery at a stated meeting in which the report from the 220th General Assembly (2012) is given.”

Yes, these erudite reprobates just couldn’t come to any conclusion about what Scripture actually says when it comes to same-sex marriage. It is just way too complicated.

Let’s see if we can get to the bottom of this O so difficult topic. Every time marriage is mentioned in Scripture, ten times in the gospels alone, it is always between a man and a woman. Jesus spoke to the issue as well, and every time He discussed marriage, it was between a man and a woman.

Therefore, same-sex marriage is an oxymoron, since two people of the same sex cannot be married. It is outside the definition of marriage.

Also, since every place that homosexuality is mentioned in Scripture, it is in a condemning nature, meaning that it is never spoken of in a positive light. Also given the fact that homosexuality is a result of idolatry in Romans 1:18ff, meaning that it is part of God’s wrath, we can safely assume that homosexuality in any form, wanted or unwanted, is a sin.

For some odd reason, the erudite reprobates cannot see these truths. It’s just too complicated for these well-educated apostates to figure out. Given that, if you are a member of a PCUSA church, I recommend one thing: run!

Run to the nearest church where the gospel is actually preached. Run to the nearest church where the Bible is actually believed. Run to a church that sees the Scripture as authoritative, not as just a guide to happy living. Run from these apostates as quickly as you can. Not only have they gone from thinking themselves wise, they became fools, they have actually become stupid in the process. They are not even trying to disguise their stupidity and foolishness with some erudite thinking. They are just plain stupid is as stupid does. So sad.

FYI: Please note that the PCUSA and the PCA (Presbyterian Church in America) are not affiliated in any way, shape, form or fashion. The PCA is my denomination and we actually believe in the authority of Scripture. You will notice that in our denomination, we have no women pastors. That is usually the first sign that a denomination is going apostate.After all, once the denomination punts the roles of men and women given in Scripture, everything is subject to change as well. This doesn’t mean that we do not see men and women equally valuable in the church, but we have different roles in the church, just as the Three Persons of the Godhead have differing roles in our salvation.

32 thoughts on “PCUSA Theological Liberalism Leads to Biblical Stupidity

  1. I’m glad to hear that PCA has no women pastors. I agree that it is usually the first sign of apostasy. Love your emails. This Calvinist Southern Baptist hasn’t disagreed w/you yet.


    • Good deal. Yes, we have a lot in common, the Calvinist Southern Baptist and those of us in the PCA. We actually have more in common than the arminian Southern Baptist and liberal Presbyterians. 🙂


      • I think the confusion is semantic: they are the “Free Will Baptists”:.
        From Wikipedia: ”
        “Free Will Baptist is a denomination of churches that share a common history, name, and an acceptance of the Arminian theology of free grace, free salvation, and free will. Free Will Baptists share similar soteriological views with General Baptists, Separate Baptists and some United Baptists. Evangelism and the self government of the local church are highly valued. The denomination remains relatively small-town demographically and is especially strong in the southern United States and Midwest, although it was once also strong in New England. The National Association of Free Will Baptists reports just over 250,000 members.”


  2. Do you really think Jesus is going to be outraged that a WOMAN preached the gospel in His name??? Seriously???


  3. Don’t know about that, Ann, but the Holy Spirit is being resisted and grieved. And several passages (Isaiah 63:10, Hebrews 10:29, Matthew 12:32…) suggest that God is really touchy about slights to the Spirit who guided Paul in the writing of the two Epistles (1 Tim., 1 Corinth.) that clearly restrict the role of women in any congregation that includes men.

    The old hymn “Brethren, We Have Met to Worship” states the fact of the matter: “All is vain unless the Spirit of the Holy One comes down”.

    Charles Spurgeon elaborated on that:

    ‘Now suppose the Holy Spirit is grieved, what is the effect produced upon us? When the Spirit is grieved first, he bears with us. He is grieved again and again, and again and again, and still he bears with it all. But at last, his grief becomes so excessive, that he says, “I will suspend my operations; I will begone; I will leave life behind me, but my own actual presence I will take away. And when the Spirit of God goes away from the soul and suspends all his operations what a miserable state we are in. He suspends his instructions; we read the word, we cannot understand it; we go to our commentaries, they cannot tell us the meaning; we fall on our knees and ask to be taught, but we get no answer, we learn nothing. He suspends his comfort; we used to dance, like David before the ark, and now we sit like Job in the ash-pit, and scrape our ulcers with a potsherd. There was a time when his candle shone round about us, but now he is gone; he has left us in the blackness of darkness. Now, he takes from us all spiritual power. Once we could do all things; now we can do nothing. We could slay the Philistines, and lay them heaps upon heaps, but now Delilah can deceive us, and our eyes are put out and we are made to grind in the mill. We go preaching, and there is no pleasure in preaching, and no good follows it. We go to our tract distributing, and our Sunday-school, we might almost as well be at home. There is the machinery there, but there is no love. There is the intention to do good, or perhaps not even that, but alas! there is no power to accomplish the intention. The Lord has withdrawn himself, his light, his joy, his comfort, his spiritual power, all are gone.’

    Ann, have you ever seriously asked God to help you understand why Paul would write those words?


  4. Wow, so many issues come up when discussing UPUSA. I will address women preachers first.
    Gal.3.28b states that “…there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus”.


    • Again Earl, you are taking the Galatians passage out of context. He is discussion justification by faith alone… not roles in the church. You have been so indoctrinated with the Episcopalian bull that you can’t see what Scripture is saying. The passage that forbids women from teaching is in 1 Timothy, where Paul is addressing roles of the church, not our justification in Christ.

      Really, it’s quite simple. You need to read the letters, take into account who he is writing and why. Those are important issues. Context means things.


      • The first part of Response to I Timothy “forbidding women from teaching”.
        “The evidence that Paul did not write the Pastorals( includes I Timothy) is overwhelming. There are no references to these “letters” in any other documents until the late second century, considerably later than references to the other Pauline writings. The writing style is not typical of Paul but rather of a more general Hellenistic Greek. The theological concerns and vocabulary differ substantially from Paul’s and are similar to vocabulary found in such other early-second-century Christian writings as I Clement and the letters of Ignatius.” and the evidence goes on to prove pseudonymity and suggests a date, perhaps around 125 C.E. Paul did not write I Timothy.


      • Earl,
        First, the late attestation is not a problem since the letters are addressed to Timothy. So the dispersement of them would not be as quick.

        As for the writing style, this argument falls short since it is a letter to an individual, not a church. Plus, the individual was already briefed in the essentials of the faith, therefore this accounts for the difference in vocabulary and topic matter. In other words he didn’t have to address justification with Timothy, since Timothy already knew and understood the concept.

        As for your declaration: Paul did not write 1 Timothy. That is mere conjecture on your part. It cannot be proven that he did not write it.


      • BTW Earl,
        I love how you dodged the bullet on your Galatians claim. You never addressed the fact that Paul was not deal with roles in the church and your misuse of equality in justification. You immediately went on the attack of more of Scripture. Do you see a problem here? Instead of affirming what was written in the New Testament, you have to punt it in order to get to your position. That should make you somewhat suspicious because it is a form of the question asked back in the garden “Had God indeed said…”


      • 2 part of response to I Timothy. I Timothy lacks luster because it also commands the obedience of slaves (see I Timothy 6.1,2. Surely you don’t teach that???? Since then, we are to view these scriptures as admonitions to people at the time. It was mostly a Roman/Greco culture that I Timothy was written for. I see I Timothy as an important book of history and not of hierarchal doctrine.
        So in sum, unless you are prepare to preach slaves to serve their masters, you really cannot use the same scriptures to silence women.


      • Ephesians also addresses slaves, are we going to punt that book also?

        Again, when your position requires you to punt entire passages of Scripture, is your position truly legitimate? Men have always had excuses not to believe God’s word. So taking the so called “enlightened path” that so many in liberal circles are seeking to do, is really not all that new nor enlightened.


  5. Before we can discuss Marriage Equality we should read, “What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality”, Millennium Edition, by Daniel a. Helminiak, Ph.D.


  6. Galatians Revisited: It is my deep conviction that Paul was describing the rights of the baptized. That there were no longer an hierarchy based on gender, slavery, Jew or Greek oppressive laws.


  7. The Anglican Theology (Where most Episcopal Theology is based on) derives from Scripture, Reason, and Tradition. We read scripture for its God given inspiration and that includes its form of history.


  8. Treating employees like slaves or asking them to act like slaves is really anti-worker. Timothy, you can do better.
    Phoebehb, first, I Timothy is not Paul’s work. Second, the obsolescence of slavery started with Paul’s baptismal words, Gal.3.28b states that “…there is no longer slave or free,there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus


    • Earl,
      I cannot believe that just said that. No one is suggesting we treat workers like slaves. You are not even looking at the text. Employees are to honor that employers, that would be implication. SO THAT the name of God and His doctrine may not be blasphemed. And those who have believing employers, “let them not despise them because they are brethren, but rather serve them because those who are benefited are believers and beloved.”

      Goodness, you really need to look, open the Bible and see what it says. Quit giving us the liberal talking points.


  9. Study on marriage ready for congregational and presbytery use

    New resource to help the entire church move into a time of discernment about Christian marriage, civil unions, and same-gender relationships

    April 29, 2013

    Paul Seebeck, Communications Ministry

    (502) 569-5192

    At the request of the 220th General Assembly (2012), the office of Theology and Worship has produced a study on marriage, which is now ready for congregational and presbytery use.

    The study is designed to help the entire church move into a time of serious study and discernment concerning its definition of marriage and whether or not same-gender relationships fit into the Reformed understanding of Christian marriage.

    “I’m grateful that the General Assembly asked the office of Theology and Worship to help congregations wrestle with Scripture and the confessions in order to speak faithfully about marriage,” says Presbyterian Mission Agency’s Chip Hardwick, director of the Theology, Worship, and Education ministry area
    …It seems PCUSA has not voted one way or the other but has decided to study the issue.


    • But of course. Even if they voted against it, it wouldn’t go away. Liberals never quit and accept the truth of God’s word. They just keep pushing by using back channels. This is inherent to liberalism in general. They never submit to the word of God or anything else other than their lustful desires. It takes actual conversion for people to come to the word of God and accept it for what it is. God’s word must be seen with the eyes of faith, not the eyes of doubt and diversion because sin always appeals to the flesh, so the desire to question God’s word never ceases unless one truly accepts it for what it is.


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