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PCUSA Theological Liberalism Leads to Biblical Stupidity

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The PCUSA, the liberal leaning and Bible ignoring Presbyterian denomination that most people know about, decided this past week at their General Assembly that when it comes to same-sex marriage, Scripture is just a bit too confusing for these mental giants to come to any serious conclusion on the topic.

Yes, you read that correctly. Instead of saying the Bible is against it, since it condemns homosexuality in every case that it is mentioned in Scripture, AND since marriage always means between one woman and one man, that there just wasn’t enough evidence for them to rule whether or not it was right or wrong.

Here is a bit from The Layman Online:

Scripture too confusing to use

The tarnished centerpiece of the committee’s recommendation, however, was an amended overture from Sacramento Presbytery, which read in part, “We decline to take an action that would have the effect of imposing on the whole Presbyterian Church (USA) one interpretation of Scripture in this matter” of “what the Scriptures teach concerning the morality of committed, same-gender relationships.” The best this committee and then the whole General Assembly could do was to declare formally that Scripture is too confusing, too subject to varied interpretations to unite around to decide matters of same-sex sexual morality.

Is same-sex practice right or wrong, according to the Bible? “Well, ya know, we just can’t decide,” has now become General Assembly’s official position. This position is intended to “be brought before each presbytery at a stated meeting in which the report from the 220th General Assembly (2012) is given.”

Yes, these erudite reprobates just couldn’t come to any conclusion about what Scripture actually says when it comes to same-sex marriage. It is just way too complicated.

Let’s see if we can get to the bottom of this O so difficult topic. Every time marriage is mentioned in Scripture, ten times in the gospels alone, it is always between a man and a woman. Jesus spoke to the issue as well, and every time He discussed marriage, it was between a man and a woman.

Therefore, same-sex marriage is an oxymoron, since two people of the same sex cannot be married. It is outside the definition of marriage.

Also, since every place that homosexuality is mentioned in Scripture, it is in a condemning nature, meaning that it is never spoken of in a positive light. Also given the fact that homosexuality is a result of idolatry in Romans 1:18ff, meaning that it is part of God’s wrath, we can safely assume that homosexuality in any form, wanted or unwanted, is a sin.

For some odd reason, the erudite reprobates cannot see these truths. It’s just too complicated for these well-educated apostates to figure out. Given that, if you are a member of a PCUSA church, I recommend one thing: run!

Run to the nearest church where the gospel is actually preached. Run to the nearest church where the Bible is actually believed. Run to a church that sees the Scripture as authoritative, not as just a guide to happy living. Run from these apostates as quickly as you can. Not only have they gone from thinking themselves wise, they became fools, they have actually become stupid in the process. They are not even trying to disguise their stupidity and foolishness with some erudite thinking. They are just plain stupid is as stupid does. So sad.

FYI: Please note that the PCUSA and the PCA (Presbyterian Church in America) are not affiliated in any way, shape, form or fashion. The PCA is my denomination and we actually believe in the authority of Scripture. You will notice that in our denomination, we have no women pastors. That is usually the first sign that a denomination is going apostate.After all, once the denomination punts the roles of men and women given in Scripture, everything is subject to change as well. This doesn’t mean that we do not see men and women equally valuable in the church, but we have different roles in the church, just as the Three Persons of the Godhead have differing roles in our salvation.

Gay Marriage IS the Church’s Business

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Why do I say that? Because it will effect the church, those associated with Christianity and anyone who opposes same-sex unions.

How do we know? We know because it is effecting those Christians in Canada who are trying to stand for the truth. Apparently the gay community there wasn’t happy with legalized unions (what they call marriage). Canada passed a law in 2005 stating that two men/women could enter into such unions. This isn’t enough for the gay community. They also have made it illegal to speak out against gay unions. In other words, if you teach/preach/believe, that same-sex unions are sinful, you can go to jail.

That is the way it is with the gay community. To give them any concessions at all, will never be enough because that is the nature of sin. Once you enter into sin in any manner, especially in an attempt to justify and legalize it, and you will want more and more before it is all said and done. That is the sinfulness of sin and the gay community fully rejects this truth.

No matter, we are seeing this truth displayed before us in their demands. Remember back in the 1970s, the gay community told us that all they wanted was to be left alone to do as they wished in the privacy of their own bedrooms (although this too was a lie. They wanted to do as they wished in the privacy of public parks, forests, bridges, etc.). None of that was enough and even legalizing their sin isn’t enough as we are seeing from the example of the gay community in Canada.

According to an article by Michael Corin, published at National Review, Canada is now using force against those who do not fully agree with same-sex unions. (Hattip: Wintery Knight)

Same-sex marriage became law in Canada in the summer of 2005, making the country the fourth nation to pass such legislation, and the first in the English-speaking world. In the few debates leading up to the decision, it became almost impossible to argue in defense of marriage as a child-centered institution, in defense of the procreative norm of marriage, in defense of the superiority of two-gender parenthood, without being thrown into the waste bin as a hater. What we’ve also discovered in Canada is that it can get even worse than mere abuse, and that once gay marriage becomes law, critics are often silenced by the force of the law.

The gay community in our country doesn’t just want legalized marriage, they also want full approval of and protection from the government. They want to make it so that anyone who opposes gay unions in any way will fill the full heat and weight of the government thugs. They will tolerate no one who disagrees, being the tolerate bunch that they are.

As Coren writes:

In 2011, for example, a well-known television anchor on a major sports show was fired just hours after he tweeted his support for “the traditional and TRUE meaning of marriage.” He had merely been defending a hockey player’s agent who was receiving numerous death threats and other abuse for refusing to support a pro-gay-marriage campaign. The case is still under appeal, in human-rights commissions and, potentially, the courts.

The Roman Catholic bishop of Calgary, Alberta, Fred Henry, was threatened with litigation and charged with a human-rights violation after he wrote a letter to local churches outlining standard Catholic teaching on marriage. He is hardly a reactionary — he used to be known as “Red Fred” because of his support for the labor movement — but the archdiocese eventually had to settle with the complainants to avoid an embarrassing and expensive trial.

In the neighboring province of Saskatchewan, another case illustrates the intolerance that has become so regular since 2005. A number of marriage commissioners (state bureaucrats who administer civil ceremonies) were contacted by a gay man eager to marry his partner under the new legislation. Some officials he telephoned were away from town or already engaged, and the first one to take his call happened to be an evangelical Christian, who explained that he had religious objections to carrying out the ceremony but would find someone who would. He did so, gave the name to the man wanting to get married, and assumed that this would be the end of the story.

But no. Even though the gay couple had had their marriage, they decided to make an official complaint and demand that the commissioner be reprimanded and punished. The provincial government argued that, as a servant of the state, he had a duty to conduct state policy, but that any civilized public entity could accept that such a fundamentally radical change in marriage policy was likely to cause division, and that as long as alternative and reasonable arrangements could be made and nobody was inconvenienced, they would not discipline their employee for declining to marry same-sex couples. Anybody hired after 2004 would have to agree to conduct such marriages, they continued, but to insist on universal approval so soon after the change would lead to a large number of dismissals, often of people who had given decades of public service. This seemed an intelligent and balanced compromise. Yet the provincial courts disagreed, and commissioners with theological objections are now facing the loss of their jobs, with the situation replicated in other provinces and also at the federal level.

So far, churches have been allowed to refuse to consecrate same-sex marriages, but a campaign has begun to remove tax-free status from religious institutions that make this choice. When asked about how this would undermine charitable efforts in behalf of the poor and homeless undertaken by numerous Christian churches, one of the leaders of Equality for Gays and Lesbians Everywhere, a Canadian gay-rights advocacy group, replied: “We’ll only take away charitable status from the buildings where the priests live and where the people pray.”

You see, this is why it is the business of the church to speak out against these gay unions, stating that they are unbiblical, sinful and detrimental to the community, but to also recognize that if the gay community gets their way, I could be thrown in jail or threatened with lawsuit for publishing such words.

People will say that I shouldn’t worry since we have the First Amendment. Never mind that BHO had made a ruling violating the rights of organizations who do not provide contraceptions for women, even though it goes against that organizations beliefs. Never mind that just last week, a court in New Mexico ruled against a photography studio that refused to take pictures of a gay-union ceremony. Never mind any of that…

According to the gay community and those who prop them up, the First Amendment be damned. They get preferential treatment even if it means throwing Christians in jail. This is why it is the church’s business and all of our business to oppose gay marriage and the gay community. It is like they have achieved royalty status in our country among the intelligentsia. They are the ones that are making it the business of the church because they cannot tolerate opposition. Since true believer/Christians know the score biblically on this issue, they will see fit to get into the business and beliefs of the church. Anyone who stands in the way of their demands must be silenced and unless we oppose this, we will be.