Any time you mention the reality of homosexuality being a sin in the blogosphere, it’s not long before someone like Curb comes along and tries to defend the practice as loving, while condemning those who point to its sinfulness. In the interest of dissecting their arguments, I will use Curb’s latest piece to show the falseness of his arguments.
Our differences lie in interpretations of the scriptures regarding homosexual thoughts, feelings or acts. This is perhaps one of the most debated issues concerning biblical teachings of our time. The scriptures nether directly or explicitly communicate that homosexuality is a sin, and therefore, the judgment and hatred that is bestowed onto this group of God’s creatures, solely based on majority-opinion-driven interpretations of scriptures regarding this minority group, is in itself a sin.
Basically he is trying to make the argument that the Bible never states homosexuality as a sin. He may be right in that. It never says: “Homosexuality is a sin.” Those words are not used. However the Bible never paints homosexuality in a positive light at all. In the Old Testament, the act was considered an abomination before the LORD. You can’t get any more explicit than this in condemning the act. The reason it is an abomination is that God made man in His image, male and female, not male and male. The union between man and woman in holy matrimony reflects God’s image and glorifies God. The very act of homosexuality is warping that image and an abomination.
Also, Romans 1:18-32 shows that homosexuality is the end result of oppressing the truth. It is God’s wrath poured out on mankind. Hard to make the case that it’s not a sin when in fact it is God’s hand of wrath on those who turn away from His truth.
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 also shows that those who are homosexuals will not enter into the kingdom of heaven. According to Curb, I’m being unloving by pointing out this reality. But I think it is he who is unloving by embracing and affirming a sin that would keep someone out of the kingdom of God. In other words, to allow gays and lesbians to continue on in their sin, never repenting and trusting Christ for salvation is eternally damning to them. Curb wants to do this and set himself up as more righteous than those of us who are willing to speak the truth. Sad.
First, it is extremely objective and presumptuous of you to believe that the only reason Jesus didn’t address homosexuality is because it was outside the norm of Jewish culture. To make the argument that Jesus thought homosexuality is a sin but didn’t make such beliefs apparent only because he never witnessed or heard of such acts while living in Jewish culture relies on some flawed and hypercritic assumptions that can not be backed by any legitimate premises.
I never said that Jesus did not hear of or know of homosexuality in His culture. The Jewish culture was surrounded by the Roman culture, which embraced homosexuality as normal. I don’t believe Jesus addressed it because He knew that the Jews understood that it was a sinful act. The Jews had the Law and the Law condemned homosexuality, therefore, He did not need to address the issue. In other words, it was agreed upon by the Pharisees and Jesus that this was completely outside the norm of righteousness and it did not need to be addressed (Leviticus 18:19-23). Since the Jews were in the habit of stoning adulteress women, gays and lesbians probably fared much worse fates.
Second, trying to understand the historical context in which the scriptures were written is not the only thing that should be taken into focus when interpreting the words. One must also know the original meaning of the words in Hebrew or Greek, and acknowledge other sins that are being committed through the use of specific acts as catalysts to communicate the underlying sin, whether these acts be taxation, consumption of food or alcohol, or homosexuality, for example. The assumption that the Bible condemns homosexuality is passed down from generation to generation with very little study or research. The consequences of this misinformation are disastrous, not only for God’s gay and lesbian children, but for the entire church.
Curb actually admits that homosexuality is a sin in his wordiness. Then he tries the age-old tactic claiming that homosexuality is looked down upon because of our generational taboos, and the fact that we are not looking at the culture in which these texts are written.
I hope you can see he is already flawed in his argument, since I am addressing both the Jewish culture as well as the Roman culture in my response. I will agree that generation after generation of Christians have condemned homosexuality, but this is not a result of ignorance, as he claims. The result of our condemnation of this sin is because our beliefs are rooted in Scripture. It is Scripture that shapes our beliefs and this is why the sin is condemned in every age, even in the ages where there are cultures that embrace this lifestyle (Rome in Paul’s day, San Francisco in our day). The guiding point for beliefs is Scripture, not culture or fancy argumentation.
Only seven of the Bible’s one million verses refer to same-sex behavior, in any context, and none of these verses refer to homosexual orientation or activity as consensual acts of love between two men or two women.
Wrong again. He is basing this argument on his ignorance of Scripture and hoping we are too ignorant to spot his ignorance. 1 Corinthians 6:8-10 condemn both consensual homosexuality and that between a boy and a man. As for the billions of verses, remember that every verse that speaks of homosexuality, none of them put it in a positive light. In other words, all the verses that speak of this sin show that it is indeed a sin.
Neil gives us that actual verse count here:
Aside from the secular arguments, if anyone wants to know what God says about marriage and these relationships, it is very clear. He invented marriage. Any church that disagrees with this isn’t a church, it is an organization trying to destroy the real church (that is, those who authentically follow Jesus). They are actually doing you a favor in being so obvious. Churches that promote same-sex unions are merely wolves in sheep’s clothing who took off the sheep’s clothing. Hey, maybe they were getting too warm or something.
- 100% of the verses addressing homosexual behavior denounce it as sin in the clearest and strongest possible terms.
- 100% of the verses referring to God’s ideal for marriage involve one man and one woman.
- 100% of the verses referencing parenting involve moms and dads with unique roles (or at least a set of male and female parents guiding the children).
- 0% of 31,173 Bible verses refer to homosexual behavior in a positive or even benign way or even hint at the acceptability of homosexual unions.
Back to Curb:
Rather, homosexuality in the bible is always put in context of other clearly defined sins making it a catalyst to communicate these underlying sins that still prevail today, whether it be prostitution, fidelity or generally sexually immoral.
Wait a minute Curb, you’ve just admitted that homosexuality is a sin again. That’s twice now…
Allowing the homosexual act in itself to be interpreted as the sin rather than the actual underlying sins not only blinds us from the real message but makes good Christian fighters spread the word of homosexuality as sin rather than the other clear sins that are rampant today.
Interesting. So we are to ignore the sin of homosexuality because it doesn’t fit Curb’s worldview and focus on other rampant sins. Again, he admits that homosexuality is a sin. BTW, I don’t believe the church is focusing on homosexuality. What we are doing is fighting against those who are trying to get us to accept this sinful behavior, which Curb admits, as normal. Worse than that, the Gay Movement is now so determined to be accepted as normal that they don’t want us to speak to the issue, even though the Bible addresses the issue, and on top of that, teach our children that it is normal, even though Curb and the Bible show that it is sin. If it were actually normal, I wouldn’t think we would need to teach that it is normal.
To top it off, the Gay movement also wants us to address some abomination called “same-sex” marriage, which isn’t marriage. God defines marriage, not the church, government or the Gay and Lesbian movement.
With homosexual acts not clearly defined as a sin, not included as one of the Ten Commandments, and with the New Testament offering a strong message of love, then rather than trying to be God and pass judgment on those individuals, a better option may be to offer prayers to those struggling with their sexual identity. If a homosexual man can guiltlessly accept the gift of love God is offering him through embracing his homosexuality, he will steer clear of committing clearly defined biblical sins: adultery, suicide, lying…
Notice Curb admits there is sin in the New Testament, but those sins include adultery, suicide and lying. Somehow, he misses the aforementioned verses and believes that homosexuality is not a sin at all. In other words, it’s OK for men to sleep with one another, but adultery is out of the question. I’m not sure what to do with that. It lacks any level of logic it’s hardly worth mentioning.
Even when we believe the scriptures are without error, it is a risk to think our interpretations are without error. By creating a divergon for our attention to focus away from the clear sins is encouraging the work of the devil.
This is what Neil calls Leopard Theology. The Bible is inspired in certain spots and only those who advocate such positions like homosexuality being acceptable to God are inspired to see those spots.
Again, the diversion from the gospel is not created by those who seek to advance the gospel, as Curb seems to indicate. The diversion is created by those claiming that an abomination to God is not a sin, and forcing us to accept this abomination as normal.
By accepting that God has made people homosexual since the beginning of humanity and that it is sinlessly and prosperously possible for humanity to thrive with such acts of love will lay foundation for all peoples of the church to unite, including you & I, against the explicitly clear sins that are rampant today and pose a greater threat to the existence of humanity’s faith in our lord Jesus Christ.
God is not the author of sin. That one falls on our shoulders. He did not create man as sinful, but sinless. Therefore all sin that we can come up with, homosexuality included, falls on our shoulders. What God did was not judge mankind with what man deserves. In other words, He shows us grace by allowing to be born with our sinful, fallen natures. If He gave us what we deserved, that would be immediate punishment and eternal damnation. To show us grace like He does, and then try to call that God’s fault that men are homosexuals like Curb does, is itself, warped. Curb completely lacks any concept of the holiness of God, which is what liberals do. Instead of understanding God’s holiness, they punt it for their warped view of God’s love.
God doesn’t love us in order to allow us to remain sinners. Jesus didn’t lay His life down so that we could remain in sin, but died so to justify those who belong to Him, and bring them out of their sinful lifestyles into a state of holiness. Curb fails to understand the basics of the gospel and Jesus’ words, “Go and sin no more.” No where did Christ ever advocate that sinners remain in their sin, or embrace their sin.
One final point: realize that the very Law the Jesus came to uphold and fulfill is the same Law that condemned homosexuality. It is the Law that He gave as the Second Person of the Trinity to Moses on Mt. Sinai. As the Eternal Word, He is the One that often spoke to the people in the Old Testament. If people like Curb understood this, perhaps they wouldn’t spend so much time trying to pacify homosexuals and their abominable sin, would actually pray that God would deliver them from their sin, and give them a true message of hope.