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Jesus Defines Marriage For Us: We Don’t Need the Supreme Court’s Definition

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I know that many people are waiting with baited and stinky breath on the United States Supreme Court to tell us what the definition of marriage is according to the Constitution, but the Supreme Being of all eternity has already defined it for the Christian. In other words, it matters not what the Supreme Court says, as Christians, Jesus has done so for us.

Matthew 19:4-6 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

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Defending Marriage

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I think the Alliance Defending Freedom has done an excellent job of making the case for marriage on a secular level. They are trying to defend the Defense of Marriage Act. I don’t think we are going to win on this in the long run, because liberals and the left never give up. They have to suspend reason in their pursuits of fleshly lusts. We know that from Romans 1. The flesh never satisfies and this is why the left will never stop unless those in authority close that door for them (or the Spirit moves in our nation). Since the governmental authorities are on the side of the gay lobby, marriage will be redefined and organizations that stand against them will become enemies of the state. But it is good to see the stand that is being taken.

I Am Anti-Gay, and Pro Chick-fil-A!

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I know from the title that those on the Left will immediately brand me a hater and go right to hating me and my beliefs, but that is the world we live in. They will also try to silence me since I don’t fit into their model of what is “acceptable.” Again, this is the world where we find ourselves. We live in a world that does not value truth, or those who stand for it, because the world loves darkness rather than light.

Regardless of these realities, those of us who know the truth need to be willing to stand for the truth and stand for Christ who represents that truth. This is all the president of Chick Fil-A Dan Cathy has done. He said his beliefs are that marriage is between one man and one woman, and this has the Sodomite Left in a tizzy( Sodomite is the biblical term for those who practice the sin). Never mind that the Bible, which is the center of Cathy’s faith, condemns sodomy and never mentions marriage in any context other than it being between one man and one woman.

You know the firestorm that has errupted since that was made public. We have mayors from Chicago, Boston and Philadelphia telling Chick-fil-A that they are not welcome and others on the right planning a Chick-fil-A day! I’m almost tempted to drive up to Albuquerque on Wednesday just to participate.

What I believe we are seeing are those of us who are conservative/Christian/moral, etc., getting fed up with the LEFT and their absolute intolerance of our beliefs and values. We are tired of being excoriated for following principles found in Scripture, for having beliefs that don’t lead to immorality, for having to hide the truth that sin is sin, and homosexuality is one of the biggies when it comes to God’s word. We are tired of moderate Christians (at best) embracing those who are gay and living that lifestyle, telling them that they are OK that way, and ignoring the truth of God’s word. We are tired of gays trying to redefine marriage so they can live their morally bankrupt lives. We are tired of pastors who refuse to speak to the issue because they are more concerned with being liked, than speaking the truth. (See Voddie Baucham’s piece on “Gay Is Not the New Black” for an example of one of many pastors willing to stand for the truth).

I know, gay people are people too. I’m not calling for witch hunts, or cross burnings, or lynchings or any such Democratic polices of the past. What I’m calling for is a right to believe in God’s truth and to be able to declare with the freedom we have been given by our Creator. He has made known His truth to us, and it gets old seeing those who call themselves “Christian” capitulating to values and morals that are outright condemned in Scripture. It’s time to stand up with Cathy and others like him who are tired of having the Left define what is right and wrong. Remember, the Democratic party, which is the champion of the Gay Movement, is the same party that approved the lynchings of blacks in the South. It is the same party that was on board with segregation, and now on board with the killing of innocent children. I will not join hands with such people either openly or privately. As a Christian, we need to stand up against that which is sinful, both openly and privately. This means being willing to stand against that which Scripture condemns.

That is the beauty of Scripture. Let it declare the truth of these realites. In other words, we don’t have to invent words or phrases or any other such thing in order to declare the truth. We are simply to declare what it says. That is sufficient, the Bible is sufficient for these things.

In my title, I wrote that I’m anti-gay. This is true, not because of some level of meanness I may possess toward gay people. It is true because the Bible is anti-gay. As I, and others, have pointed out many times, there is not one single passage of Scripture that says anything positive about homosexuality. Every passage that speaks to the topic condemns it outright. Let the word dwell richly in our hearts so we can see what is sinful and what is not.

The Bible is also anit-adultery, anti-lying, anti-stealing and anti-idolatry. We are to stand against all these sins as Scripture does. The Left has so artfully cast the argument to make us think and feel like we are being hateful when we speak the truth. This, of course, is the lie of the Left. They have made that which is an abomination to the LORD seem normal and many who claim Christ as our Savior have stood quietly by and said nothing out of fear of their condemnation. This must stop. We must continue to fight the good fight and declare the truth, even when that truth is not palatable to the LEFT. Am I anti-gay? Yes, I am. But that is because Scripture is as well. Where Scripture condemns, we need to stand with it. Where it embraces, we embrace as well.

We are not being mean spirited by doing so. Only as truth is proclaimed will God use it to change the hearts and minds of the lost. Being bullied by the Left into silence is actually being mean spirited because we are capitulating to the lies of Satan. We have done this for far too long. We must not be afraid of declaring the truth.

I know there are many who continue to speak the truth and have so for many years. But to those who sit by silently, and try to have gay friends so as to seem open minded, you are the ones that are truly mean spirited. You value your comfort and desire to be open-minded and accepting more than you value the gay persons eternal salvation. That is what is truly mean spirited. You have your salvation and because you desire comfort over confrontation, you are not willing to share the truth with others so that they too can have salvation as well. Any who do this need to repent, and lovingly speak the truth.

UPDATE: I got the following from Facebook friend Maria:

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There are those of us who define all sin as God defines it in Scripture. And we freely admit that we are sinners, as is declared in Scripture a…nd borne out in our lives. We count on the finished work of our Redeemer for redemption, and we hate the sin (in ourselves more than anywhere else) that sent Him to the cross and that jeopardizes our fellowship with Him. Other people do not look to Scripture for their definition of sin, and some refuse to believe there is such a thing at all. It’s logical, I guess, if they don’t believe in God, they don’t believe it is possible to sin against Him.

But what has ALWAYS seemed odd to me is how this word HATE is assigned selectively to anyone who is against a few specific sins but not against other sins. That is, if I think it’s wrong to lie or cheat, no one accuses me of “hating” liars and cheaters. I merely say what they (or I, when I do either of those things) are doing is wrong. All the politicians and Hollywood stars that think murder is wrong (unless the victim is still in the womb), do I accuse you of hating murderers? No. I don’t. HATING a person has nothing to do with it. The pro-life movement is a prime example. It is now energized and driven very much by those women who have experienced the grief of having an abortion. They do NOT hate the women who struggle with this sin; they are there to tell them they don’t have to struggle any more.

UPDATE NUMBER 2: I should have already included this, the Chick-fil-A song by comedian Tim Hawkins:

Gay Marriage IS the Church’s Business

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Why do I say that? Because it will effect the church, those associated with Christianity and anyone who opposes same-sex unions.

How do we know? We know because it is effecting those Christians in Canada who are trying to stand for the truth. Apparently the gay community there wasn’t happy with legalized unions (what they call marriage). Canada passed a law in 2005 stating that two men/women could enter into such unions. This isn’t enough for the gay community. They also have made it illegal to speak out against gay unions. In other words, if you teach/preach/believe, that same-sex unions are sinful, you can go to jail.

That is the way it is with the gay community. To give them any concessions at all, will never be enough because that is the nature of sin. Once you enter into sin in any manner, especially in an attempt to justify and legalize it, and you will want more and more before it is all said and done. That is the sinfulness of sin and the gay community fully rejects this truth.

No matter, we are seeing this truth displayed before us in their demands. Remember back in the 1970s, the gay community told us that all they wanted was to be left alone to do as they wished in the privacy of their own bedrooms (although this too was a lie. They wanted to do as they wished in the privacy of public parks, forests, bridges, etc.). None of that was enough and even legalizing their sin isn’t enough as we are seeing from the example of the gay community in Canada.

According to an article by Michael Corin, published at National Review, Canada is now using force against those who do not fully agree with same-sex unions. (Hattip: Wintery Knight)

Same-sex marriage became law in Canada in the summer of 2005, making the country the fourth nation to pass such legislation, and the first in the English-speaking world. In the few debates leading up to the decision, it became almost impossible to argue in defense of marriage as a child-centered institution, in defense of the procreative norm of marriage, in defense of the superiority of two-gender parenthood, without being thrown into the waste bin as a hater. What we’ve also discovered in Canada is that it can get even worse than mere abuse, and that once gay marriage becomes law, critics are often silenced by the force of the law.

The gay community in our country doesn’t just want legalized marriage, they also want full approval of and protection from the government. They want to make it so that anyone who opposes gay unions in any way will fill the full heat and weight of the government thugs. They will tolerate no one who disagrees, being the tolerate bunch that they are.

As Coren writes:

In 2011, for example, a well-known television anchor on a major sports show was fired just hours after he tweeted his support for “the traditional and TRUE meaning of marriage.” He had merely been defending a hockey player’s agent who was receiving numerous death threats and other abuse for refusing to support a pro-gay-marriage campaign. The case is still under appeal, in human-rights commissions and, potentially, the courts.

The Roman Catholic bishop of Calgary, Alberta, Fred Henry, was threatened with litigation and charged with a human-rights violation after he wrote a letter to local churches outlining standard Catholic teaching on marriage. He is hardly a reactionary — he used to be known as “Red Fred” because of his support for the labor movement — but the archdiocese eventually had to settle with the complainants to avoid an embarrassing and expensive trial.

In the neighboring province of Saskatchewan, another case illustrates the intolerance that has become so regular since 2005. A number of marriage commissioners (state bureaucrats who administer civil ceremonies) were contacted by a gay man eager to marry his partner under the new legislation. Some officials he telephoned were away from town or already engaged, and the first one to take his call happened to be an evangelical Christian, who explained that he had religious objections to carrying out the ceremony but would find someone who would. He did so, gave the name to the man wanting to get married, and assumed that this would be the end of the story.

But no. Even though the gay couple had had their marriage, they decided to make an official complaint and demand that the commissioner be reprimanded and punished. The provincial government argued that, as a servant of the state, he had a duty to conduct state policy, but that any civilized public entity could accept that such a fundamentally radical change in marriage policy was likely to cause division, and that as long as alternative and reasonable arrangements could be made and nobody was inconvenienced, they would not discipline their employee for declining to marry same-sex couples. Anybody hired after 2004 would have to agree to conduct such marriages, they continued, but to insist on universal approval so soon after the change would lead to a large number of dismissals, often of people who had given decades of public service. This seemed an intelligent and balanced compromise. Yet the provincial courts disagreed, and commissioners with theological objections are now facing the loss of their jobs, with the situation replicated in other provinces and also at the federal level.

So far, churches have been allowed to refuse to consecrate same-sex marriages, but a campaign has begun to remove tax-free status from religious institutions that make this choice. When asked about how this would undermine charitable efforts in behalf of the poor and homeless undertaken by numerous Christian churches, one of the leaders of Equality for Gays and Lesbians Everywhere, a Canadian gay-rights advocacy group, replied: “We’ll only take away charitable status from the buildings where the priests live and where the people pray.”

You see, this is why it is the business of the church to speak out against these gay unions, stating that they are unbiblical, sinful and detrimental to the community, but to also recognize that if the gay community gets their way, I could be thrown in jail or threatened with lawsuit for publishing such words.

People will say that I shouldn’t worry since we have the First Amendment. Never mind that BHO had made a ruling violating the rights of organizations who do not provide contraceptions for women, even though it goes against that organizations beliefs. Never mind that just last week, a court in New Mexico ruled against a photography studio that refused to take pictures of a gay-union ceremony. Never mind any of that…

According to the gay community and those who prop them up, the First Amendment be damned. They get preferential treatment even if it means throwing Christians in jail. This is why it is the church’s business and all of our business to oppose gay marriage and the gay community. It is like they have achieved royalty status in our country among the intelligentsia. They are the ones that are making it the business of the church because they cannot tolerate opposition. Since true believer/Christians know the score biblically on this issue, they will see fit to get into the business and beliefs of the church. Anyone who stands in the way of their demands must be silenced and unless we oppose this, we will be.

The Death of Love

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Jerry Johnson, of the Nicene Council, does an excellent job of showing that true-biblical love has slowly died since the beginning of the Romantic age in literature. What has replaced biblical love is romantic love, based upon our base emotions toward a person instead of our covenantal commitment spoken of in Scripture. For example, we know that Christ died on the cross for the love of His people, who, were quite unlovable when He died for them. Had He waited for the modern-day emotion that so many base love upon, He would have bypassed the cross all together.

True love for a person is a covenantal commitment before God, not emotions that determine our happiness. After all, if we base our marriages on emotional happiness, what will happen when that happiness fades? The question isn’t: “will it fade?” But, “when will it fade?”

When it does fade, we need to remember that true, covenantal love is a commitment toward a person, not just an emotion toward a person. This is alteration of the definition of love is the reason so many have caved in the area of marriage, be it biblical marriage, or the current debate surrounding gay unions. Since so many believe that love is based on emotions and not commitment, then who are we to truly question the emotions of people who divorce and remarry, who marry people of the same sex, or marry their dog (which is coming next). When we return to the biblical understanding of love, and marriage, these arguments fall by the wayside.

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Here is the true definition of love according to 1 Corinthians 13:

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.

4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

Ask Pastor Timothy: Homosexuals and the Need for Repentance

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It’s quite providential that Alysa was asking me these questions this morning and then I proceeded to work on my Sunday school lesson: Of Repentance Unto Life.

Part of her question was simply: Can homosexuals be saved and still be homosexuals? I know that many say the answer is “yes,” and I would agree with a qualification. As I explained to Alysa, all Christians struggle with indwelling sin. As believers, we are not liberated from our sinful flesh until the LORD takes us home to glory. But this should never leave us with the impression that we can normalize our sin in order to make it OK. Sin, is sin, even if it is just idle talk. Remember what Jesus said about sin:

Matthew 12:36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.

The point is that we need to repent from all our sins, not just the ones we deem sinful. This is why the Bible is so vital to our understanding of what sin is. Sin is any want of conformity unto, or transgression of the Law of God, meaning God’s word from cover to cover (see here). Anywhere that we fall short of what it declares for us, is sinful and we need to repent of every sin.

Repentance of sin is not just feeling sorry for your sin, but completely turning away from that sin, the lifestyle of sin and turning toward God. If we do not repent from all our sin, we will likewise perish (Luke 13:5). This is what those who are advocating the normalcy of the homosexual lifestyle are missing. While faith is a requirement for salvation, so too is repentance. Again, not the shallow feelings that many feel about being a “bad” person, but a complete turning away from the sinful lifestyle, no matter what the sins are, and turning toward God. True repentance is a complete rejection of the sinful lifestyle. Given that we know of no verses in the Bible that speak of homosexuality in a positive light, we can safely say it is sinful, since the Bible is the only place we can turn to know and understand what true sin is.

Ezekiel 18:30-31 “Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways,” says the Lord God. “Repent, and turn from all your transgressions, so that iniquity will not be your ruin. 31 Cast away from you all the transgressions which you have committed, and get yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. For why should you die, O house of Israel?”

Given this, I don’t see how someone who is a homosexual can trust in Christ and then want to remain a homosexual. The very thought of that should cause the true believer to wretch. Why? Because the true believer has been freed from the dominance of sin at the moment of belief. They have been given new hearts and the power of the indwelling Spirit of God in them. This means true faith, which is always accompanied with true repentance leads a person to want to cast off his former life completely and wholly.

Isaiah 30:22 You will also defile the covering of your images of silver, And the ornament of your molded images of gold. You will throw them away as an unclean thing; You will say to them, “Get away!”

The problem we are seeing in part of the “church” (and I use that term loosely) is that many in Christianity want us to believe that they can have sanctified relationships as homosexuals and be Christians. Yet this is contrary to the doctrine of true and saving faith, along with repentance that leads to life. They want us to believe that somehow, these gay people have been given a special amount of grace, not only to be saved, but to sanctify and hallow something that God calls abominable and detests (Leviticus 18:22).

As I said before, a gay person can come to Christ and still struggle with homosexuality. But a true believer would never try to normalize that sin for a true believer would be ashamed of it, and rightfully so. In my discussion with Alysa, I admitted that there are times when I struggle with lust as a straight man. But because I struggle with that sin, doesn’t mean that I want to normalize it and say that it is OK. It is not OK. It is sin, even though 99.9999 percent of ALL men struggle with lust. We are not to rejoice in this reality, but repent of it, and come back to the cross, confessing our sin to the Father for forgiveness (1 John 1- 2:3).

This is the point: if a gay man is truly a believer, he will repent of it, repent of those feeling and will not try to normalize it. The Holy Spirit and God’s word should lead him to shame for the sin in his heart. As the Spirit does for all of us, He leads us back to the cross and the forgiveness we find there. The Holy Spirit doesn’t lead us to making arguments for the normalization and acceptance of sin. He leads us to repentance and forgiveness.

Here is the Westminster Confession of Faith’s chapter on Repentance Unto Life. I underlined areas to focus upon. Study it for a few minutes and examine your own life.

I. Repentance unto life is an evangelical grace, the doctrine whereof is to be preached by every minister of the gospel, as well as that of faith in Christ.

II. By it a sinner, out of the sight and sense, not only of the danger, but also of the filthiness and odiousness of his sins, as contrary to the holy nature and righteous law of God, and upon the apprehension of his mercy in Christ to such as are penitent, so grieves for, and hates his sins, as to turn from them all unto God, purposing and endeavoring to walk with him in all the ways of his commandments.

III. Although repentance be not to be rested in as any satisfaction for sin, or any cause of the pardon thereof, which is the act of God’s free grace in Christ; yet is it of such necessity to all sinners, that none may expect pardon without it.

IV. As there is no sin so small but it deserves damnation; so there is no sin so great that it can bring damnation upon those who truly repent.

V. Men ought not to content themselves with a general repentance, but it is every man’s duty to endeavor to repent of his particular sins, particularly.

VI. As every man is bound to make private confession of his sins to God, praying for the pardon thereof, upon which, and the forsaking of them, he shall find mercy: so he that scandalizeth his brother, or the Church of Christ, ought to be willing, by a private or public confession and sorrow for his sin, to declare his repentance to those that are offended; who are thereupon to be reconciled to him, and in love to receive him.

16 Year Old Gets It Right on Gay Marriage and the Left

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Madeleine McAulay, a 16-year-old native of North Carolina gets it right when it comes to the left and the controversy about Gay “marriage.” She points out how ludicrous it is that President Obama is considered wise because he gets his opinion about gay marriage from his two daughters, but she’s considered mean, homophobic and backwards because she doesn’t share the same opinion as those on the left. I hope there are more and more 16 year olds who understand the issue like Madeleine. Watch the video:

Roundup That Matters

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Pastor Ken Hutcherson is gay — although he is not a homosexual. The Hutch, as he is known to conservatives who listen to Rush Limbaugh, is campaigning to take back the word “gay” from the gay community just at he fights to bring back the rainbow as a sign of God’s love towards mankind. The rainbow is a sign telling us that God will never destroy the earth with a flood again, not a sign that it’s OK to be a sodomite.

Hutch says:

“My frustration is that some groups have taken words and symbols away from the Church and from society in general. When I say I’m ‘gay,’ what I mean is that I am happy, that I am joyful and that I love people. That is precisely what a Christian ought to be so in my opinion we just need to be as gay as we can.”

“Dan Savage (a pro-gay activist) says he is gay. He’s not gay, not anywhere close. Yeah, he may be a homosexual but he certainly doesn’t appear to be happy or joyful when he stands up in front of a classroom and uses profane language. Nope, nothing gay about that.”

Hutch on gay marriage:

A good article against homosexuality — via Kathy at Neil’s blog. This article uses sound logic to dispel the gay-gene argument, something we have done here on occasion. Be sure to read Neil’s post on exposing Tony Campolo for the false teacher that he is.

Another STOOPID Church Sign — you know my hatred of church signs, since most of them are truly thoughtless. Here is one from the liberals in the church, thinking they are making some great stand for a loving attitude.

The problem is, as Ed pointed out on Facebook, the hateful Christian will be forgiven, the atheists will not. But also allow me to add that what we are faced with today is not more hateful Christians, but more hateful atheists. The new atheists isn’t interested in just denying God and living his own life in peace. He is purposefully seeking to rid culture, community and our country of anything and everything religions. Pastor Tom Tate may think he is making inroads with the atheists by putting up such a sign. However, the new atheists of this day want to run foolish Tom out of business as well.

The 10 Warning Signs of an Inwardly Obsessed Church — great article by Thom S. Rainer about church becoming to inwardly focused.

A Better Life For Julia — You may have heard of Obama’s plan to raise our children for us, from cradle to grave. The Heritage Foundation shows a better way through conservatism. Both Neil and Roxanne have excellent pieces on this one. Roxanne writes:

For those of you wondering, “Who the heck is Julia?!?”, she’s a composite of Obama’s girlfriends a fictional character who subsists on Nanny State handouts for her entire life.  From birth until retirement, Julia gets goodies from the government, which is allegedly preferential to a Mitt Romney world.

Suitably Flip made a “Life of Julie,” which shows how someone can prosper under Mitt Romney – or suffer under Obama.   It starts off with, “Julie arrives on-time to preschool every day, thanks to the trusty, affordable internal combustion engine in her parents’ car.”

Instapundit asks the question we are all asking: where is Julia’s husband? Sarcastic Roxe answers: earning money to give to women via the government, which is apparently “not being dependent upon a man.”

Also go to the link provided for the Heritage Foundation that counters the Obama article.

My question for Obama: “why do you assume we WANT to put our children in the failing Head Start program?” That is my point against what he offers, why are we supposed to assume it’s better for us simply because we put it forth. Obama, a man from a third-world country, trying so hard to turn us into a third-world country. After all, he is seeking “fairness.”

Genetics vs. the Gospel: Are Gays Doomed?

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In my previous post, I spoke to the issue of homosexuality and the fact that it doesn’t matter if gays are born that way, there is still a need to repent and respond to Jesus Christ as He is offered in the gospel (I feel like I have to put that qualifier because so many want to respond to Christ, but not the Christ of the Gospel or of Scripture).

One commentator responded with the following:

Homosexuality is a lot simpler than “Original Sin.” It’s called “genetics” and you can’t pray it away.

On the surface, this sounds extremely plausible and leaves many Christians wondering if anything can be done at all. After all, how can prayer, or the things of faith, alter that which is locked away genetically in the world of science?

Most would just accept someone as gay at this point and give up. The commentator also went so far as to offer up “evidence” for discovery of the infamous gay gene. However, when I looked into this “evidence,” every one of the articles produced had scientist quoted as saying things like, “I think there is evidence…” “It may be,” or “the debate is uncertain…” which shows us that the gay gene is not scientific fact, but cultural speculation and belief. The moment that belief enters the picture is the moment that scientist jump from being scientist to prophets of a new religion.

Now if we accept the premise that people are born gay and cannot change because of genetics, then we must conclude that gay people are doomed and there is no hope of salvation for them in Christ. The reason I say this is because the Apostle Paul makes it clear that gay people will not be allowed into heaven. Listen to his words:

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

This means that if someone who is gay is not changed by being born again, and made a new creation, then they will not be acceptable to God and allowed into the kingdom of God. What those who believe that gays are gay because of genetics are saying is that there is no real hope for those who are gay. They are doomed and salvation is not possible for them.

This would seem the case as far as Romans 1:18ff are concerned. There Paul shows that  the ones who are gay have been given over to their sinful desires as part of God’s wrath. They continued down the path of sin and because they ignored the invisible attributes of God that have been made manifest in creation, He gives them over to an even more debased mind which leads to more sinful depravity. Their homosexuality is a result of them being handed over to their depravity.

The science world, and Gay Movement, want us to believe that their sin is a result of something genetic. This is for the purpose of stating that their behavior is acceptable and that we need to go along with their claims. For true Christians, this is not a possibility. We must continue to show that sin is sin, whether it be from genetics or learned behavior.

Perhaps we all have the gay gene, if there is one, and it only kicks in when God’s grace is removed from us. After all, those of us who are believers readily admit that it is by God’s grace that we are not given over to lustful passions that lead us into adultery, debauchery and homosexuality. It is His hand the keeps us from such sins.

But to say that we must accept gays for who they are, when we do not accept adulterers, thieves, liars, etc., for who they are, is a bit much. Christ did not die on the cross for us to remain in our sins. He died on the cross in order to pay the debt of our sins, then gave us the Holy Spirit so that we would no longer live in the flesh and for the flesh, but live in the Spirit with the Spirit (Romans 8:1-11). In fact, Paul shows us that the same Spirit that indwells us is the same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead. I love what I heard a preacher saying about this recently. He said that if the same Spirit that raised Jesus Christ from the dead is indwelling in us, then we have the same Spirit to help us turn away from our sinful lifestyles and habit. In other words, the very Spirit that had the power to take a dead body, Christ, and bring Him back to life in a renewed and eternal body, is in us, then we can turn away from every sin and be saved from every sin.

This means that there is true hope for the homosexual or lesbian. By trusting in Christ, they are made a new creation and they are freed from the slavery of homosexuality (all sin), and are made slaves of righteousness (Romans 6:6ff). The same Spirit that took One that was dead and brought Him back has the same power to convert the gay man and turn him straight again.

In fact, if a gay man is truly born again, then God’s Spirit is in him and there is no reason for him to continue in the sin that so entrapped him. He has been set free from homosexuality. It is only by his own choice that he would continue in that lifestyle, because that which is abominable is not accepted by God. In other words, if he does continue in the lifestyle, then he is not truly born again.

For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live (Romans 8:13).

The point is that it doesn’t matter whether homosexuality is brought on by genetics, which has yet to be proven, or simply because of sinful hearts, which is what Scripture declares, the gospel has the power to redeem men and women from that lifestyle. The gospel is the power of God unto salvation. Those who claim they are Christians and still gay, are merely lying to themselves about one or the other. But you cannot have it both ways. If you are a Christian, then you have been given the power of God’s Spirit to die to the deeds of the flesh and to live unto His Spirit. If you do not have that power, then you are not saved and still need to come to Christ as He is presented in the gospel.

Scientists may claim the problem is genetic, therefore excusable. But it is not excusable as long as the gospel is present, with the power to rescue men and women from such lifestyles and set them free to serve God. Science may be able to point to the source of the problem, sinful genes. But to say that there is no solution to those sinful genes is outside of their realm of expertise. There is hope and that hope is found in the person and work of Jesus Christ.

Homosexuality is a Sin No Matter What Dress You Put On It

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Any time you mention the reality of homosexuality being a sin in the blogosphere, it’s not long before someone like Curb comes along and tries to defend the practice as loving, while condemning those who point to its sinfulness. In the interest of dissecting their arguments, I will use Curb’s latest piece to show the falseness of his arguments.

He writes:

Pastor,

Our differences lie in interpretations of the scriptures regarding homosexual thoughts, feelings or acts. This is perhaps one of the most debated issues concerning biblical teachings of our time. The scriptures nether directly or explicitly communicate that homosexuality is a sin, and therefore, the judgment and hatred that is bestowed onto this group of God’s creatures, solely based on majority-opinion-driven interpretations of scriptures regarding this minority group, is in itself a sin.

Basically he is trying to make the argument that the Bible never states homosexuality as a sin. He may be right in that. It never says: “Homosexuality is a sin.” Those words are not used. However the Bible never paints homosexuality in a positive light at all. In the Old Testament, the act was considered an abomination before the LORD. You can’t get any more explicit than this in condemning the act. The reason it is an abomination is that God made man in His image, male and female, not male and male. The union between man and woman in holy matrimony reflects God’s image and glorifies God. The very act of homosexuality is warping that image and an abomination.

Also, Romans 1:18-32 shows that homosexuality is the end result of oppressing the truth. It is God’s wrath poured out on mankind. Hard to make the case that it’s not a sin when in fact it is God’s hand of wrath on those who turn away from His truth.

1 Corinthians 6:8-10 also shows that those who are homosexuals will not enter into the kingdom of heaven. According to Curb, I’m being unloving by pointing out this reality. But I think it is he who is unloving by embracing and affirming a sin that would keep someone out of the kingdom of God. In other words, to allow gays and lesbians to continue on in their sin, never repenting and trusting Christ for salvation is eternally damning to them. Curb wants to do this and set himself up as more righteous than those of us who are willing to speak the truth. Sad.

First, it is extremely objective and presumptuous of you to believe that the only reason Jesus didn’t address homosexuality is because it was outside the norm of Jewish culture. To make the argument that Jesus thought homosexuality is a sin but didn’t make such beliefs apparent only because he never witnessed or heard of such acts while living in Jewish culture relies on some flawed and hypercritic assumptions that can not be backed by any legitimate premises.

I never said that Jesus did not hear of or know of homosexuality in His culture. The Jewish culture was surrounded by the Roman culture, which embraced homosexuality as normal. I don’t believe Jesus addressed it because He knew that the Jews understood that it was a sinful act. The Jews had the Law and the Law condemned homosexuality, therefore, He did not need to address the issue. In other words, it was agreed upon by the Pharisees and Jesus that this was completely outside the norm of righteousness and it did not need to be addressed (Leviticus 18:19-23). Since the Jews were in the habit of stoning adulteress women, gays and lesbians probably fared much worse fates.

Second, trying to understand the historical context in which the scriptures were written is not the only thing that should be taken into focus when interpreting the words. One must also know the original meaning of the words in Hebrew or Greek, and acknowledge other sins that are being committed through the use of specific acts as catalysts to communicate the underlying sin, whether these acts be taxation, consumption of food or alcohol, or homosexuality, for example. The assumption that the Bible condemns homosexuality is passed down from generation to generation with very little study or research. The consequences of this misinformation are disastrous, not only for God’s gay and lesbian children, but for the entire church.

Curb actually admits that homosexuality is a sin in his wordiness. Then he tries the age-old tactic claiming that homosexuality is looked down upon because of our generational taboos, and the fact that we are not looking at the culture in which these texts are written.

I hope you can see he is already flawed in his argument, since I am addressing both the Jewish culture as well as the Roman culture in my response. I will agree that generation after generation of Christians have condemned homosexuality, but this is not a result of ignorance, as he claims. The result of our condemnation of this sin is because our beliefs are rooted in Scripture. It is Scripture that shapes our beliefs and this is why the sin is condemned in every age, even in the ages where there are cultures that embrace this lifestyle (Rome in Paul’s day, San Francisco in our day). The guiding point for beliefs is Scripture, not culture or fancy argumentation.

Only seven of the Bible’s one million verses refer to same-sex behavior, in any context, and none of these verses refer to homosexual orientation or activity as consensual acts of love between two men or two women.

Wrong again. He is basing this argument on his ignorance of Scripture and hoping we are too ignorant to spot his ignorance. 1 Corinthians 6:8-10 condemn both consensual homosexuality and that between a boy and a man. As for the billions of verses, remember that every verse that speaks of homosexuality, none of them put it in a positive light. In other words, all the verses that speak of this sin show that it is indeed a sin.

Neil gives us that actual verse count here:

Aside from the secular arguments, if anyone wants to know what God says about marriage and these relationships, it is very clear.  He invented marriage.  Any church that disagrees with this isn’t a church, it is an organization trying to destroy the real church (that is, those who authentically follow Jesus).  They are actually doing you a favor in being so obvious.  Churches that promote same-sex unions are merely wolves in sheep’s clothing who took off the sheep’s clothing.  Hey, maybe they were getting too warm or something.

  • 100% of the verses addressing homosexual behavior denounce it as sin in the clearest and strongest possible terms.
  • 100% of the verses referring to God’s ideal for marriage involve one man and one woman.
  • 100% of the verses referencing parenting involve moms and dads with unique roles (or at least a set of male and female parents guiding the children).
  • 0% of 31,173 Bible verses refer to homosexual behavior in a positive or even benign way or even hint at the acceptability of homosexual unions.

Back to Curb:

Rather, homosexuality in the bible is always put in context of other clearly defined sins making it a catalyst to communicate these underlying sins that still prevail today, whether it be prostitution, fidelity or generally sexually immoral.

Wait a minute Curb, you’ve just admitted that homosexuality is a sin again. That’s twice now…

Allowing the homosexual act in itself to be interpreted as the sin rather than the actual underlying sins not only blinds us from the real message but makes good Christian fighters spread the word of homosexuality as sin rather than the other clear sins that are rampant today.

Interesting. So we are to ignore the sin of homosexuality because it doesn’t fit Curb’s worldview and focus on other rampant sins. Again, he admits that homosexuality is a sin. BTW, I don’t believe the church is focusing on homosexuality. What we are doing is fighting against those who are trying to get us to accept this sinful behavior, which Curb admits, as normal. Worse than that, the Gay Movement is now so determined to be accepted as normal that they don’t want us to speak to the issue, even though the Bible addresses the issue, and on top of that, teach our children that it is normal, even though Curb and the Bible show that it is sin. If it were actually normal, I wouldn’t think we would need to teach that it is normal.

To top it off, the Gay movement also wants us to address some abomination called “same-sex” marriage, which isn’t marriage. God defines marriage, not the church, government or the Gay and Lesbian movement.

With homosexual acts not clearly defined as a sin, not included as one of the Ten Commandments, and with the New Testament offering a strong message of love, then rather than trying to be God and pass judgment on those individuals, a better option may be to offer prayers to those struggling with their sexual identity. If a homosexual man can guiltlessly accept the gift of love God is offering him through embracing his homosexuality, he will steer clear of committing clearly defined biblical sins: adultery, suicide, lying…

Notice Curb admits there is sin in the New Testament, but those sins include adultery, suicide and lying. Somehow, he misses the aforementioned verses and believes that homosexuality is not a sin at all. In other words, it’s OK for men to sleep with one another, but adultery is out of the question. I’m not sure what to do with that. It lacks any level of logic it’s hardly worth mentioning.

Even when we believe the scriptures are without error, it is a risk to think our interpretations are without error. By creating a divergon for our attention to focus away from the clear sins is encouraging the work of the devil.

This is what Neil calls Leopard Theology. The Bible is inspired in certain spots and only those who advocate such positions like homosexuality being acceptable to God are inspired to see those spots.

Again, the diversion from the gospel is not created by those who seek to advance the gospel, as Curb seems to indicate. The diversion is created by those claiming that an abomination to God is not a sin, and forcing us to accept this abomination as normal.

By accepting that God has made people homosexual since the beginning of humanity and that it is sinlessly and prosperously possible for humanity to thrive with such acts of love will lay foundation for all peoples of the church to unite, including you & I, against the explicitly clear sins that are rampant today and pose a greater threat to the existence of humanity’s faith in our lord Jesus Christ.

God is not the author of sin. That one falls on our shoulders. He did not create man as sinful, but sinless. Therefore all sin that we can come up with, homosexuality included, falls on our shoulders. What God did was not judge mankind with what man deserves. In other words, He shows us grace by allowing to be born with our sinful, fallen natures. If He gave us what we deserved, that would be immediate punishment and eternal damnation. To show us grace like He does, and then try to call that God’s fault that men are homosexuals like Curb does, is itself, warped. Curb completely lacks any concept of the holiness of God, which is what liberals do. Instead of understanding God’s holiness, they punt it for their warped view of God’s love.

God doesn’t love us in order to allow us to remain sinners. Jesus didn’t lay His life down so that we could remain in sin, but died so to justify those who belong to Him, and bring them out of their sinful lifestyles into a state of holiness. Curb fails to understand the basics of the gospel and Jesus’ words, “Go and sin no more.” No where did Christ ever advocate that sinners remain in their sin, or embrace their sin.

One final point: realize that the very Law the Jesus came to uphold and fulfill is the same Law that condemned homosexuality. It is the Law that He gave as the Second Person of the Trinity to Moses on Mt. Sinai. As the Eternal Word, He is the One that often spoke to the people in the Old Testament. If people like Curb understood this, perhaps they wouldn’t spend so much time trying to pacify homosexuals and their abominable sin, would actually pray that God would deliver them from their sin, and give them a true message of hope.